firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
Does anybody know where I can download the best(in your opinion) version of linux where it can run with my Windows XP WITHOUT Deleting anything... 1. DELETES NOTHING ------------------ |
vincent Member Posts: 129 From: Amersfoort, the Netherlands Registered: 12-23-2002 |
Linux distributions require their own type of partitions... you can use partition magic to resize them and create some free space. Most linux distributions allow you to configure which OS starts automatically. I heard Umbutu linux is becoming very popular, maybe you should give that a go, or you could just Knoppix, cause it boots from CD, without installing anything on the hard-drive... though because it boots from CD, it takes a while to start. I heard there where other distributions that allowed a file on the windows file system to be the linux partition, but I forgot how or which. |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Not true. Try Phat Linux or various other distro's that let you run it from within Windows.  --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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vincent Member Posts: 129 From: Amersfoort, the Netherlands Registered: 12-23-2002 |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Yes. I've heard of Phat. If you wanna go full Linux try Ubuntu furst for about a year then switch to Slackware (if you see it fit) ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I would advise getting a 2nd hard disk and installing Linux on that. That's what my dad did with Windows Xp Pro and Media Center. ------------------ |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
There are also some nice things called "Live CDs" that let you run Linux directly from your CD-drive without screwing around installing anything. There's a great distro called Games Knoppix that has a *chuckload* of games loaded onto it, and has great auto-hardware detection. If you can boot to a DVD, they even have a DVD ISO. Because it has to do so much at startup, they definitely take longer to boot up than normal, but they're a great starting point to run Linux (and don't write to your hard-drive at all). They work best if you have gobs of RAM (512 or more). But anyways, to answer your original question, most distros will do what you asked, but you have to know how to ask it. Partitioning your drive and configuring your boot manager are the two main things you mentioned, and neither of those things are very specific to any particular "flavor" of Linux. ------------------ [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited October 10, 2005).] |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
seems phat linux's download is down ... for now... ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
the 50 megabyte darn small linux can be run (albiet slowly) from within a windows window, so good to play around with, and small enough to fit on any portable media (other than a floppy disk ) my suggestion would be to get VMWARE of virtualPC and install a full linux enviroment into your virtual machine, giving you full windows and full linux at the same time. Karl ------------------ |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
sicne paht linux is down for now, I installed virtual pc. Erm, how do linux you get it on? Edit: NVM. I'll just wait for phatlinux to get bakc up... ------------------ [This message has been edited by firemaker103 (edited October 10, 2005).] |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
virtual PC, you start it up, set the details for a new virtual harddrive, etc etc, then get a linux ISO (or real CD and mount it in the hard drive) then boot the virtual PC and install linux the same as if you were installing it on a PC. ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
I have also succesfully used QEMU to run Linux as a virtual PC from within Windows. ------------------ |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
yeah i think darn small linux uses qumu to run in windows, but qeumu is very slow and featureless. ------------------ |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
Well, right now I'm downloading klinux. Any comments on this "version"? ------------------ |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
so, you could have both on one pc? cool... maybe after my dad puts in the 120 GB hard drive he bought into our Athlon, we can do that the way you guys are saying... that would be cool!! ------------------ |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
120GB? I used to live on 20GB... with always atleast 5 GB still left... wow.. how did I get by in life. note that this ended october last year. ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
answers 1)If you install linux on a seperate partition, nothing should get deleted. Many distros' installers allow you to partition a hardrive right there. 2)Well, when I installed Kubuntu, it set up the GRUB boot manager for me, which allows you to pick an os to boot. If this doesn't happen you can configure your BIOS to handle it. Say hdd1 has your windows installation, and hdd2 has you linux installation. You can edit the boot sequence to your liking, so whichever you put first will be the first place it attempts to boot from. 3)Usually you can't just "uninstall" on operating system. But you can format the partition for use with another os, or something along those lines. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Offtopic: Klumsy I love your avatar! ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
I decided to end the klinux download and a get livecd of Kubuntu. ------------------ [This message has been edited by firemaker103 (edited January 20, 2006).] |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Kubuntu is a good choice, but i would recommend installing on a small partition rather than booting live, if you intend to use in a way where you want to keep settings and downloads and whatnot. While live cd's are great for alot of things, they aren't the best idea for day-to-day use. ------------------ globalrant http://globalrant.wastextgames.com [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited January 20, 2006).] |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
I want to get a tatse of what it's like, not just going ahead and installing it, incase something goes terribly wrong... I'm not very daring :| ------------------ |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
'tis better safe than sorry.  ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
The worst thing that has happened to me was when after installing linux the windows wouldn't boot anymore. This is quite common and I think it was because the partition table had invalid information. However it was easy to fix, just reinstalled windows and didn't lose any files in that progress, except the windows files of course and settings. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
I just installed colinux and gentoo to it. It can run linux inside windows. So that's one option but setting it up required modifying the config file and creating swap image among few othe small things, so it's not that simple to take in use but not too hard either. Though now that the gentoo is running I still need to figure how to use the gentoo, in order to actually do something with this thing, since it doesn't have a desktop preinstalled - I think. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) [This message has been edited by jari (edited January 21, 2006).] |
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firemaker103 Member Posts: 643 From: Registered: 07-13-2005 |
Wow, I have the ISO, but no CD...  ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Eh, Gentoo. I'm glad I didn't pick that to be my first distro. I like having KDE. Can you make KDE work with Gentoo, and they just chose not to include it? ------------------ globalrant http://globalrant.wastextgames.com [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited January 21, 2006).] |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Good question, I hope some one who knowns better can answer that but I assume you can install any desktop system on gentoo, because gentoo is supposed to be higly customizable. I'm probably going to try depian with coLinux (which was one of the two options) instead because installing stuff like that might require too much learning... ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
I believe you can install desktop environments just like you would any other package. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: wait a few days for KDE 3.5.1 to come out and go to a console and type: or if you want gnome:
quote: Gentoo is all about choices. I installed everything... everything off the internet with the live cd as my compiling environment. Gentoo is a breeze to use and install software. It's also fast! ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
CPUFreak91, thanks for the tip! I dunno in what "state" the gentoo image is however, because I really don't know much about this stuff. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: State? As in version? If version i don't know either because I'm always up to date with everything installed by typing emerge --update --deep world. Ubuntu also work similar. ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
with VMWARE releasing a free virtual machine player, you can run for free any version of linux, inside a virtual machine, with many more features, and alot of speed compared to quemu.. the thing is somebody must have already packaged together a VMWARE virtual machine you can download for vmware player.. you can check out some here and http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/
quote: thanks, so do i, I recently was reading "safetly home" by Randy Alcorn, a reality based novel set in China, so i was nostalgic of my time in China, and dug out some of my china photos, and made my avatar out of one of them. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: I once tried to install gentoo and had to type lot of commands to get things installed. Now the image that was made for coLinux allowed to login to command line from the beginning...
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: To install Gentoo you do have to know a little about Linux, or at least it helps. The documentation is by far the best for any Open Source project out there, and the community is good as well. After installing Gentoo if you prefer to have a package management program do all the installing and configuration for you, then simply use their 'emerge' package manager. For instance type: >emerge firefox The only problem with Gentoo is it is very high maintenance. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
high maintinance.... what does that mean? ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Requires alot of work to keep it running smoothly. Soem people say they have a "high maintenance girlfriend", or high maintenance car. The girl reuqires attention, money, etc. The car has alot of little proplems, needs cash and time to fix. Jags are high maint. :-P ------------------ globalrant http://globalrant.wastextgames.com [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited January 22, 2006).] |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: What I mean, is it is easy to lose control of what is happening behind the scenes and unless you keep on top of it Gentoo gets messy very quickly. Gentoo is only as good as the time you put into it. It's more geared towards the experienced user, or the user who wants to know how it is all done. A good way to learn all this is to check out www.linuxfromscratch.org . I did it and got it working fairly nicely over the summer. I would suggest downloading the tar file of all the packages though, rather then hunting around freshmeat.net like i did --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: What I mean, is it is easy to lose control of what is happening behind the scenes and unless you keep on top of it Gentoo gets messy very quickly. Gentoo is only as good as the time you put into it. It's more geared towards the experienced user, or the user who wants to know how it is all done. [/B][/QUOTE] I supose that's why I have installed gentoo 5 times last year and never got the point. I tried lfs too but didn't like it as much because of no package manager like portage. But i supose they have info on that now. ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
quote: vmware workstation is not free, but VMWARE PLAYER is free.. practically the only difference is you have to work with prebuilt VM's, you can't create your own, (or say import ones from virtual PC etc).. however this is quite a small thing, because you can edit the xml config files by hand, or make a copy of one VM, gut out its virtual harddrive and install another OS in it. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: But why would you want package management. All you get is precompiled binarys, which is just 486 running really fast. You miss out on all the configuration options as well. Package management is great if you don't care about how things are configured and just want an easy way to install stuff. But for a streamlined box that runs nice, compile it yourself --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Portage is an awesome package manager, it compiles everything for me! But you are right, im missing out on the config stuff. I guess I need to start my own lfs. ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
I would recommend doing an LFS! You will learn loads, it's difficult and you wanna give up at times, but you can't beat the satisfaction of using a distribution you rolled yourself! --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Ok, i'll work on my lfs. They have loads of nice help and forums and stuff so if i do need help, i know where to find it. ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
The guys on the LFS irc channel are quite nice as well. They helped me a few times --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
You're still not at the GNU/Linux "GOD" status?   ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: Not by a long shot. I think only Linus knows Linux inside out I still learn new things all the time, i've been using linux now for 13 years. I'm sure one day i'll be asking you for help if you stick at it --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Not by a long shot. I think only Linus knows Linux inside out I still learn new things all the time, i've been using linux now for 13 years.[/B][/QUOTE]Wow... I've used it since October 2004... thats almost a year and 3 months! Wow! Never thought of that, but if we advance at the same pace, you won't have to worry ------------------ ``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2 |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: Even the Linux Guru's don't know everything. It seems that a lot of people have their strengths and weaknesses, it probably isn't possible to know it inside out unless you are on the dev team. I always wanted to have my name in the Linux Kernel changelog when i grew up. Maybe one day it will happen. As for your rate of learning, i don't really get on my Linux box much at all these days, as all my coding has to be done in Windows (the Game Development Degree demands you have Win XP Pro, i complained and they gave me a free copy!!). It sucks in a way, because to me it's not the same, i need my console. So yeh give it a few years and you'll be the CCN Linux Daddy!! --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
. ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited February 02, 2006).] |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Firstly you will need to install ndiswrapper. Download the tar file, untar it and compile it. Then download the Windows driver for your Wireless and tell ndiswrapper to install that driver (forgotten the command its been a while). Then check wlan to see if its responding. I had my Linksys wireless card running great this way. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
. ------------------ proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited January 31, 2006).] [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited February 01, 2006).] [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited February 02, 2006).] |
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
. ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited February 02, 2006).] |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: This sounds easy but I havent been able to find any good guides on writing configuration file and I dont know how do you make one of those "HD files". So does any one know any good sites/tutorials for beginners? I have only found this: http://www.consolevision.com/members/dcgrendel/vmxform12.html Thanks. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
