But either way, it's unfortunate that both campaigns of this year's election seem, like the last one, to concentrate most heavily on why we shouldn't vote for whichever candidate, rather than anything positive really being emphasized by either. It seems to indicate the sad direction this country's present track is headed along.

But of course, there is hope. As this one song goes, based on a verse in Chronicles,

"If my people should humbly pray, and seek my face, and turn away from their wicked ways, then I will hear them, and heal their land."

Perhaps no campaign promises will ever be fulfilled. But that is not where our hopes rest. Our sights are set on the One who is true to His promises, from everlasting to everlasting.

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The charges leveled against Kerry in this book are severe and include filing false operating reports; lobbying for and receiving three Purple Hearts for minor wounds, two of which were self-inflicted; receiving a Silver Star under false pretenses; offering false confessions of bogus war crimes in both print and testimony; and recklessness in the field, including the burning of a village without cause or direct order. The book also claims that Kerry left Vietnam after serving just four months instead of the usual one year tour and that he returned home and accused his fellow soldiers of atrocities without offering any evidence, endangering POWs in the process.

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Even more serious allegations:

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On Feb. 18, 1966, John Kerry signed a six-year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a six-month extension during wartime). He also signed an Officer Candidate contract for six years – five years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and one year of inactive standby reserves.

Since Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY after only three years and 18 days, on Jan. 3, 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year and not more than 17 days of active duty for training. Most significant, however, is that Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

That means as a commissioned officer Kerry was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.

Another one of those interesting ‘clerical errors’ is that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until March 12, 2001, even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

On Jan. 3, 1970, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Md. Therefore, there should be Performance Records for two years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves. Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's commanding officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

Kerry’s conduct as a Ready Reservist participating as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War was criminal, some veterans now argue:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the U.S. Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the U.S. Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry, by his own words and actions, violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Failing a REAL good explanation, Lt. Kerry is in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 & U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's 14th Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

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Personally I see both Bush and Kerry are not very Christian but Kerry seems to do it slightly more since he supports more immoral behavior.

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

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i'm not even registered to vote, but i've been thinkin' i should. i mean even if it's the lesser of two evils GOD has predestined one of them for office that HIS will can be done. like pharoah done much evil, but GOD had it all planned out, and HE shown HIS glory through it. at least that's my thought.

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i agree wholeheartedly,
though i don't take it lightly
it was part of God's plan to smash israel and take who was left away as captive when she was in the similar spiritual state that the US is now. a Mean God? , by no way.. God is longsuffering and it was an act of mercy to stop israel from totally destroying itself by its Sin. But its time for some refining, purifying of the church in the west, for some healthy persecution.. i don't say these things lightly.

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

Tut tut. You should always check everything you find in your inbox with snopes.

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They say that when you run a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices... But that's nothing - When you run it forwards it installs Windows..

Most every (if not all) presidents have claimed to be Christian. and many's lives have shown that. George Washington, Ronald Reagon, etc. for you to say, they're not christian is.. what the heck?

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Soterion Studios

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

[This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited September 17, 2004).]

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_kerry_john_3_16.htm

-Krylar

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For me.. obviously Kerry isn't an option.. how could I vote for someone who voted against partial-birth abortion 6 times, and voted against the defense of marriage act(even Clinton signed that!). Talk about not knowing his Bible...

I've thought about the Constitution Party, and this election I'm considering voting for Bush (because I believe a supreme court justice nominee is on the line), but I'm a little undecided.

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A must read: http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/articles/show_article.pl?f=christiancaleb01112002.html

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Originally posted by Grant:
I dont beleive any american president is christian .. its a political thing for them to say so .. thats just me tho ..

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I agree with you in part.. Clinton claimed to be a Christian, and IMO he doesn't act like he believes it. I have to be careful here, certainly I need God's grace and mercy, and would be without hope if He witheld it.

I believe BushRevealed.com or something like that lists circumstantial evidence that Bush may have a Christian image that he maintains.

In any case, all I can say is I fail too much in praying for my leaders.. and I need to do this more.

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A must read: http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/articles/show_article.pl?f=christiancaleb01112002.html

I believe this falls under the heading of being judgemental and THAT we shouldn't do. We should vote our conscience, not our religion.

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"Democrats stink"

Hey, and don't be so quick to attack anyone, and everyone watch what you say without thinking

Here is a site describing a nation-wide prayer effort, lasting forty days from yesterday (yeah, missed that, I guess) until the election on 11/2. This is a critical time for America, and only the One who sits on the throne in heaven can see us through.

Welcome to the forums kiteria!

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3rd Day Studios

"So many laughing at Jesus,"
"Well the funniest thing that He's done,"
"Is love this poor stubborn rebellious world,"
"While the hate for Him just goes on."