While the response received is not altogether satisfactory (it does not specifically answer the very specific question asked), it is a response, so, in fulfillment (as best I can) of my earlier promise, it is now available to all who wish to read it.

I now respectfully request that this thread be locked itself—before it gets out of hand.

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

from what i have seen(on tv) they are gathering all the necessary things needed to build the temple they were even showing the details(i could be wrong).

but i disagree that just because something is as detailed as the temple or the tabernacle that it should be taken all literally some of the stuff is non-literal and some is literal and it may even be a mix.

if the end times are near and this is happening people wouldn't know it they would doubt and say this isn't what the BIBLE was talking about.

so some parts of that document has some truth but i am not sure about the whole thing.

and some of the covenant that GOD made with the people of Israel was to those that were born of the flesh from the seed of abraham and some was to the children of faith. i think GOD will defend the nation Israel(and has defended) because of the promise he made to their fathers.

but when you say Israel what are you saying
a)Israel as in meaning the people of GOD.
b)Israel as in meaning the house of Jacob(of the flesh).

i think it might depend on the context it was said in the BIBLE(specially OT).

but this is all my personal opinion.

and i don't see how all this matters to us Christians anyways when JESUS comes i don't think we would know the time (just as he said in the BIBLE).

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Originally posted by Tallbill:
I now respectfully request that this thread be locked itself—before it gets out of hand.

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Theological discussions can be tough to handle well online, as it's so easy for it to get out of hand. Some Christian forums have instantiated rules that don't allow for any theological discussions for this very reason. We haven't yet gotten to that point, and I sincerely hope that we don't have to. I ask that everyone remain civil and not stir up controversy. If you can't, then don't post.

If people start flaming, then us admins will issue warnings, strikes, locks, and bans as appropriate.

But I trust that won't be necessary. *glares around suspiciously*

[This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited August 28, 2007).]

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"The generation of random numbers is too important to leave to chance."
Soterion Studios

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
But I trust that won't be necessary. *glares around suspiciously*

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If there is any further contact (read: more detailed and useful), I'll make that available as well.

/me slinks innocently out of the thread (Who? Me!?!?).

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

To quote the relevant passage of my new source ("The Apocalypse Code", Hank Hanegraaff, end of page 19, including grammatical error(s)):

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LaHaye's misunderstanding of the cardinal truth of Christ's sacrifice has serious ramifications. The writer of Hebrews explicitly says that in Christ the old covenant order, including temple sacrifices, are "obsolete" and "will soon disappear" (Hebrews 8:13). In direct contradiction to the literal meaning of this passage, LaHaye teaches that the temple must be rebuilt and that temple sacrifices must be reinstituted. Even more troubling is the fact that LaHaye's literalism forces him to conclude that such temple sacrifices are not merely memorial but absolutely necessary for the atonement of sins such as ceremonial uncleanness.

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Perhaps someone who owns this book (Charting the End Times) can shed more light on this, as I will not be buying that book. I hereby regard the challenge issued to me as fulfilled and answered.

I do apologize for bringing this thread back to the top of the list, but in order to maintain integrity I had to share this new information, as I had promised I would.

Tallbill out (of this thread, not the whole site )

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"