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Mere Christianity – brandon

Brandon

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From: Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Well, I am reading this book for the first time, and thought that it would be great if we could discuss some things about it here. I came across some really interesting things so far. It's not that I had never thought of these things, but it's just that I've had a hard time putting them into any language. I am simply astonished at the things that C.S. Lewis presents here. Here are a couple of paragraphs that I found very interesting.

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Some of us who seem quite nice people may, in fact have made so little use of good heredity and a good upbringing that we are really worse than those whom we regard as fiends. Can we be quite certain how we should have behaved if we had been saddled with the psychological outfit, and then with the bad upbringing, and then the power, say, of Himmler? That is why Christians are told not to judge. We see only the results which a man's choices make out of his raw material. But God does not judge him on the raw material at all, but on what he has done with it. Most of the man's psychological makeup is probably due to his body: when his body dies all that will fall off him, and real central man, the thing that chose, that made the best or worst out of this material, will stand naked. All sorts of nice things which we thought our own, but which were really due to a good digestion, will fall off some of us; all sorts of nasty things which were due to complexes of bad health will fall off others. We shall then, for the first time, see every one as he really was. There will be surprises.

And that leads on to my second point. People often think of Christian morality as a kind of bargain in which God says, 'If you keep a lot of rules I'll reward you, and if you don't I'll do the other thing.' I do not think that is the best way of looking at it. I would much rather say that every time you make a choice you are turning the central part of you, the part of you that chooses, into something a little different from what it was before. And taking your life as a whole, with all your innumerable choices, all your life long you are slowly turning this central thing either into a heavenly creature or into a hellish creature: either into a creature that is in harmony with God, and with other creatures, and with itself, or else into one that is in a state of war and hatred with God, and with its fellow creatures and with itself. To be the one kind of creature is heavenly that is, it is joy and peace and knowledge and power. To be the other means madness, horror, idiocy, rage, impotence, and eternal loneliness. Each of us at each moment is progressing to the one state or the other.


And finally this next paragraph I have experienced and it was known by me, but I just had never been able to explain it this way... until now.

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One last point. Remember that, as I said, the right direction leads not only to peace but to knowledge. When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse he understands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense, really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about both good and evil: bad people do not know about either.

Amazing isn't it? Well, does anyone want to say anything about it? Shoot away if so.

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Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies.
Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep.
O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
How priceless is your unfailing love!

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Realm Master

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well...

THAT made me see the world upside down... and i agree with it fully...

...wow...


...wow...

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buddboy

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i'm pretty much with realm there... wow... wow.... the only difference between me and RM is that i have more to say at this moment (i'm not speechless is the other way to say it)... this book is really great from what i have seen of it... really profound quotes there brandon... but you know? his way of writing and talking or whatever, seems more like somebody wrote it today rather than by a cambridge graduate and oxford professer from the 40's and 50's!! of course, he did live a while longer, so it was probably written closer to today... another great book by him is My Utmost For His Highest... oh, the reason i think that the quotes seem like they were written today is the amount of relevancy that carries over even from an older writing, sort of like the bible...wow...

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buddboy

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wow... that's too bad only 2 people replied... hmm... maybe i'll get it going again!! well, i guess that's what this post is about... REPLY PEOPLE (lol!)

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Valkyri

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Hello, peoples, long time no see as they say. Anyway I agree with everything that was quoted wholly. I mean i've seen it in my own life in the lives of others and so it thus true how the word says that the world does not know god for how can it for it is blind. but one must be careful to not judge, for that is not our place. There will be surprises indeed.
In Christ,
Valkyri

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buddboy

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lol yah... i agree lol... yay someboddy's posting!!

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Rocky20

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I have not read that book yet, but now I will have to look through me CS Lewis collections and see if I have it.

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